Was Luke's character assassinated in TLJ?

Spoiler: A shot of Luke at his academy teaching padawans.

 

You mean Kylo, right? Not Luke.

Because Kylo was the one who slaughtered the students. Not Luke.

It happened in this film called The Last Jedi. You should see it sometime.

 

So Luke enters Kylo's tent and pulls out his lightsaber, but Kylo wakes up and notices this and fights back. So after disabling Luke, he decides to go and slaughter all the students he trained alongside with? Doesn't sound logical, even though Ben himself is very unhinged (or badly written in this case). Why kill others because you were defending yourself? That's like me studying UFC, but deep down I'm thinking about joining WWE. So Luke finds this out and decides to murder me, but I defend myself and in retaliation, I kill my fellow UFC mates? Lol

 

Luke clearly states that he looked into Kylo's heart, and could see that he had already been turned. Putting this together with what Leia/Han said in TFA, Snoke had already gotten to him.

Kylo had already turned to darkness when Luke entered his quarters.

But despite all this, Luke still decided it was wrong to kill him.

No inconsistencies there.

 

And he finally killed his own father because of that ?

What has Han Solo has anything to do with Luke's failure ?

He was full of hate against Han Solo, he hated him so much because Luke tried to murder him ?

 

I understood that part, but to Kylo he spoke as if he was defending himself and felt betrayed. You don't feel betrayed unless you yourself had already betrayed.

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Exactly, it doesn't add up. I see that Kylo was leaning on the dark side while training, but why kill your own father? To prove your so called Supreme Leader that you'll do anything for him? So inconsistent.

 

If Leia sent Kylo to Luke knowing Snoke already got to him, why would Luke let Kylo have a lightsaber? Why would he let Kylo sleep with a lightsaber in the dorm of his academy? Killing students fair game? Talk about a negligent teacher.

 

I've always interpreted the "pig choke" as a foreshadowing of Luke's fall to the dark side. Did they die? I mean, personally I really doubt it, but ultimately I don't think it really matters either way. What matters is we see a Luke who is clearly more confident than "Wanna Get Some Power Converters" farm boy from A New Hope, and he's also pretty comfortable using powers that are, for lack of a better word, kind of scary. He's a force to be reckoned with, and this scene (really, his entrance into the film) sets up the struggle for Luke's soul that we see in the rest of the movie.

Then, as I've posted many times here and elsewhere, we see a much more transcendental Luke by the end of TLJ. He's no longer choking thugs, but resolving conflicts wholly nonviolently. Maybe he's not the action hero people wanted, but his arc makes so much sense.

 

meh Rian only cared about Kylo. i mean look at this nonsense your arguing about. If Luke felt the darkness of Ben Luke would have been the most understanding. But nope lets just dump on him to make people sorry for Ben.

seriously I hate Ben I hate Kylo. hate is strong word i just feel nothing. he is not even interesting anymore. he is just Rian Johnson's love child. Every single character not Just Luke was trashed. Luke's situation feels more painful because he was loved and still is but he has been made in to a puppet in order to sell Kylo Ren toys.

 

Who ever said Kylo was already turned BEFORE he went to be with Luke?? No one. Anywhere.

 

And after that, he went fishing ...

And to be really disconnected to the Force, he came to the first jedi temple and leave a map to where he went ...

 

Maybe there's still something on the island left by Luke for others to find, perhaps a key to a door, and that door to a ladder, and that ladder to a stairway, and that stairway to a hallway, and that hallway to a bridge, and that bridge to a portal, and that portal to Jedi Heaven where all the force ghosts are sitting drinking blue milk together.

 

So far, we know that Kylo killed Han because he was bitter about their relationship, and because Kylo needed to eliminate being tempted by the light. All of this is evident from dialogue in both TFA and TLJ. No issues there.

But honestly, none of that has anything to do with the discussion at hand.

 

Sorry, I was operating off another person's premise.

Let's use primary sources:
Han Solo: There's nothing more we could have done. There's too much Vader in him.
Leia: That's why I wanted him to train with Luke.

If Leia sent Kylo (Ben) to Luke knowing there was too much Vader in him, why would Luke let Kylo have a lightsaber? Why would he let Kylo sleep with a lightsaber in the dorm of his academy? Killing students fair game? Talk about a negligent teacher.

 

Definitely. That's like giving a teenager who's been peer pressured into drugs, and then putting a dime bag in his hand and hoping for the best. I would not call that smart parenting, but maybe they were hoping Luke would solve all their problems, which in turn sounds quite selfish to me. "Our son is a handful and we don't know what to do, so could you take care of him for a while?"

 

My "Snoke had already gotten to him" was referring to the time at which Luke discovered his turn.

As for Kylo having Vader in him....so did Luke. Yoda knew it. Obi-wan knew it. Luke discovered it.

Luke knew that he couldn't treat Kylo based on the wrong that he MIGHT do. It's not justice.

From another perspective, Luke's agreeing to train Kylo could be seen as a character flaw (a flaw in character, NOT a flaw in character writing). Even the best heroes have flaws and weaknesses.

 

I can imagine Leia's response.
Leia: Luke, are a special kind of stupid! I sent him to you because I said there's too much Vader in him and you let him use a lightsaber as a nightlight. Thank the ghost of Yoda that no one was hurt.

 

Luke showing up to the party with that new green milk like:

 

Intellectual? You mean people with money are evil and a damaged hero? Maybe you haven't seen a movie in the last 10 years but those theme are incredibly cliche at this point.

I really liked a lot of parts of the movie and like that it want an ESB rehash, but it felt like a rehash (thematically at least) of every movie I've seen for the past few years.

 

What does this even mean he has too much Vadar in him?? Did he torture cats or something??

It is Disney cannon he did not know he was descended from Vadar until he was 23-24 years old. He was in line to be a prince of some planet but might turn it down because he was training to be a Jedi. So Leia's political opponent found some secret diary box saying that Leia's was Vadar long lost daughter and it caused a big scandal. This is when poor Ben Solo found out he was a descendant of Vadar. Sometimes afterwards is when he is turned to the dark by Snoke. It is at an unknown age before this he is sent to Luke to train. All of this is cannon.

So old poor uncle Luke senses a grown man is getting upset because he has been lied to all his life, thinks about killing him, gets caught in the act, got a house dropped on him, and left for dead. Because a grown man threw a tandrum.

So he next goes run off to Jedi island in shame because Kylos parents lied to him all his life??

So the galaxy is taken over by space Nazis part 2 because Luke is ashamed Han and Leia lied to there kid who found out he was lied to after he was an adult.