Was Luke's character assassinated in TLJ?

But how did he know that? What were the signs? For a nearly 3 hour movie, they could have shown us his reasoning. Maybe we saw him using too much power and nearly killing his cohorts?

 

He says it in the movie! Why do you have to SEE everything... we didn't see how "the Evil SIth Lord Dath Vader killed your father..." either in ANH.

You have Kylo Ren already... what more evidence for his fears being realized do you need? It's like you ignore half of what you know or have been shown already. The movie is about the present... with very minute glimpses of the past. You don't need to be shown his reasoning because whatever his fears were, whatever signs he saw, they've come to fruition! He wasn't wrong to consider killing him. It would of saved his academy, and many others.

It's like saying "I really wish we had got the movie where we see Ben Solo turning bad under Luke's teaching... to see if he was right about Ben."

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How did Yoda know it was a bad idea to teach Anakin?

 

Still doesn't make sense in context with Vader and the OT.

 

Because it is a movie and that is what movies do.

There is a complete difference between saying Darth Vader betrayed and murdered your father. That needs to be no further explanation.

Saying some bad things things so I thought about killing him for a moment requires further explanation to be believable.

 

It’s not like Luke sensed a little fleeting darkside thought in Ben Solo. Imagine what experienced Jedi Master Luke Skywalker could imagine, and then imagine that what he saw was even beyond that.

-I saw darkness. I sensed it building in him. I'd seen it in moments during his training. But then I looked inside, and it was beyond what I ever imagined.

-Snoke had already turned his heart.

-He would bring destruction, pain, death, and the end of everything I love because of what he will become.

-And for the briefest moment of pure instinct, I thought I could stop it. It passed like a fleeting shadow. And I was left with shame and with consequence.

 

This could and should have been scenes in the film. There are no excuses.

 

That would have been pretty big spoilers for the final half of TLJ and EPIX.

 

Why did Luke not care more about Han dying and helping his sister until the very end?? You would think he'd feel some sense of responsibility to go help Leia right away.

Wasn't that the whole point of the map so they could find Luke if they needed his help?

Totally stupid plot holes.

Did they even watch Episode 7 before writing Episode 8??

 

Luke had closed himself off from the force and did not know that Han Solo died until Chewie came knocking.
After this he went from being a broken man who had lost faith to becoming the hero that saved his sister and the rebellion in just a couple of days.

Luke did not leave a map. Lor San Tekka had found a map to the first Jedi temple, where he believed Luke to be. The other map, the one R2 had, was just the general Imperial map, the same one The First Order had.

 

Hopefully Episode XI has a flashback scene showing Kylo as a student and assembling the Knights.

 

Unless the explanation for that behavior is in line with previous presentations of his character. Luke is consistently impulsive in ESB, and on the DS in ANH, and reacts similarly when his sister is threatened by his father.

 

Did anyone say that in the movie? It's just a "map that leads to Luke Skywalker".

 

It was inferred! Does everything need to posted on giant billboards??? Luke saw darkness in him, and guess what, he slaughtered his students and became as bad as Darth Vader. You HAVE THE FORCE AWAKENS, we KNOW how bad Ben has become, all you need to know is that Luke saw it coming, FEARED what he would become, that's why for a brief moment he considered killing him.

This is silly.

 

I wish this wasn't so appropriate.

We've had so much distance between us and the OT with the PT and EU added on for so long we've forgotten how much was left unsaid and explained in the OT or even ANH.

 

TESB didn't explain the twist until ROTJ.

Why should TLJ answer everything when we still have Episode 9 to go?

 

Honestly, I think he ran away because that's what Jedis do when they mess up. He probably just learned from Yoda that when you mess up "Run away, the best course of action is."

I don't think his character was assassinated at all

 

I don't have a problem with the way you take a character as long as it's developed well. Luke's character was not developed well enough for me, as RJ seemed more worried about the Rose/Finn subplot to eat up a quarter of the movie.

I will give an example of developing an iconic character. Rocky 5 and Rocky Balboa both show and older Rocky who is not the champ anymore, and sort of down in the dumps years later. Rocky 5 does a terrible job of developing the character, and the movie is a total mess. Rocky Balboa does a great job developing his character and the movie is much better. TLJ resembles Rocky 5 for me.

 

Maybe because... you know, Rose and Finn are present/future characters of the series.

I think people forget what the original trilogy did... they didn't delve into the pasts of the characters, it was always about the present. We know almost nothing about Han Solo in the original trilogy... but we see him change over time.

 

I liked Finn in TFA, but I think they shoehorned the Finn/Rose part in and it hurt the pacing of the movie. There is too much going on and the movie is too long.

I think they could have tied Finn/Rose with Poe/Leia/Holdo story and then have the Rey/Luke/Snoke/Kylo story cut back and forth. The movie could have been around 2 hours and it would have been much better pacing.

Remember what Lucas said about the end of TPM in the documentary, “I may have gone too far and I can’t undo any of those parts.....”. Meaning he put too much in the last hour of the movie and it actually detracts from each scene because the movie is all over the place. That’s exactly how I felt about TLJ.