Snoke is NOT Darth Plagueis- so who is he?

your quite wrong though on this.

Lucasfilm Ltd. identifies the six films of the original trilogy and prequel trilogy, and the Star Wars: The Clone Wars television series as the "immovable objects of Star Wars history, the characters and events to which all other tales must align."

There is no mention of accompanying books and Brik-a-brak
So as you rightfully said, Lets stick to cannon.
in the movies he is of unspecified background, and is called Snoke.
Leia Knew of him as Snoke. there is no mystery.
If ANYTHING not aligned to the movie contradicts that, it is to be disregarded.
what part of this do YOU not understand?

 

I'm curious if part of the reason the story group is going in this direction is to avoid the "rule of two." From a story perspective the rule is limiting. Palblo Hidalgo said that the story group plans around 10 years into the future so I'm sure they have plenty of plans around this new generation of dark side force users.

 

hey @DailyPlunge whats your take on this, the force awakens is cannon yeh, and as such would be treated in the same immutable way all things must align, because the whole cannon got reorgansied recently because of the force awakens, to make everything make sense.
But I have noticed its not been add to the Lucas press release, do you think its just not been added yet, or they are not going to add it and protect it as an immutable movie all other things must align to?

considering its the highest grossing Star Wars movie of all Time, it would seem strange for the Lucas group and Disney who made it, not to want to protect it, as this shows a massive lack of faith if they do not add it surly?

 

You're the one who doesn't get it, pal.
They created a new canon. They aren't going to go and contradict that now.
Of course there are things about Snoke we don't know - but from behind the scenes we are told that he has had other apprentices. We are told that he knew Leia. And there is a plethora of other information that helps keep debate and discussion on track.

Your notion of dismissing things that are part of the new canon is absurd. I'm not going to debate whether Snoke is Yoda in disguise if this has been ruled out in canon sources or by LFL officials. It's ridiculous. If you want to ignore everything beyond the OT, go ahead. But don't be surprised if your attempts at discussion on these forums come to a dead end.

 

As Disney and Lucas have to have approved any movie that they themself's have made, and make sure all things are inline already, any movie should be considered the same immutable cannon, if not why would they put out conflicting movies? to there own cannon, that they themselves have created?

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@DailyPlunge why have you trolled me?
do you understand the question or is that your standard response to a reasonable question about how we treat cannon?

I've past it on to the mods to sort out now this is starting to feel a little personal.

 

Until I see a character that was created outside of the movies featured prominently in the films I'm hesitant to really believe that Kanan or another Rebels/Clone character will feature in the films in a major way. I would love it if Lucasfilim started doing stuff like that, but even the Saw Gerrera Clone Wars/Rogue One tie in seems almost like an accident.

 

We can strongly assume that Snoke has been emotionally manipulating Kylo Ren (like that'd be hard to do), and so I would not put it past him to have exaggerated the truth or even [Trigger Warning] lied when he told of his life experience to Ren. (On the other hand I wouldn't expect the writers to be keen about having to backtrack on all the explaining they will have to do.)

I think the most crucial bits of information we know about Snoke are that he knew about the Vader fam and what transpired on the second (egad) death star, he was known to Leia (and Han), and that he had access to a young Ben Solo. I think these factors make it pretty unlikely Snoke is some unknown alien from the boondocks (unless ?), or some random imperial military type. Rax, as the Operator, may have been able to circulate in Republic ruling circles, so that leaves....

 

Whoever Snoke ultimately ends up being, I hope the revelation of his true indentity is a good one, and has a lot of thought and creativity behind it, rather than being something a 4th grader would be capable of coming up with

 

I've suspected Snoke was a former Prophet of the Dark SIde under Palpatine, but I hadn't heard of Cronal until master_shaitan mentioned him. That nearly seals it for me. Of course, he won't be exactly the same character, since that old stuff isn't canon any more. It'll be more like the new version of Thrawn.

 

Rakata

 

Snoke is Ezra Bridger. If you watch Rebels you already know that the ancient sith knowledge you refer to under plagueis is what Ezra already has possession of with the Sith Holocron. You know that he is already being drawn to the dark side and he would have had great knowledge of the skywalkers and the empires history. I predict that at the end of season 3 Ezra will receive greavous injuries from Vader like you see in the force awakens but he will learn to stay alive with his knowldege. I'm sure he will be presumed dead until later revealed in episode 8 that it is fact the "there is another" that Yoda refers to in ESB. Ezra will Bridge the gap in all of the movies since he was alive for the clone wars.

 

Then what would Ezra do in Season 4, since, you know, they're already recording it?
And Ezra totes wasn't alive for the Clone Wars (although it could be argued that he saw the Empire rise "from a certain point of view"). He was born the day the Empire was born.

 

I'm curious what the end game is for Ezra and Company, but I don't think it's going to tie into the sequel trilogy.

 

I think that would destroy the Rebels series and Rogue One - if they don't tie into the greater saga.
We're supposed to believe that these heroes lived throughout the OT and perhaps ST yet don't hear about them?
I'm not a fan of these spin off animations but if they're going to be treated as canon then they have to tie in and make sense.
Having Ezra as Snoke or the first of the Knights of Ren is a way of doing this. I wouldn't choose it. But I don't think these characters can or will die off before the saga films begin again with ANH and to leave them unexplained would be absurd.

 

Well, without getting too far off topic. When did development for Rebels start? Was it before they started planning the ST? I don't expect many of the Ghost crew to survive. Ezra and Kanan might be dead before A New Hope starts.

I agree with you about how I'd like for things to tie together better. No one has been able to do this effectively yet. Marvel hasn't done it.

I'm not sure why they created Rebels. It's a weird place in the timeline.

 

Edging the line of off topic even further...

IIRC, it started before the end of TCW, so before Disney bought everything. Which means they technically started it before Disney planned the ST (but not before GL had his treatment/script/idea/whatever it was). I think Snoke could tie into Rebels and whatnot by being a character who fit an arc a character in Rebels was going to go, so they simply combined the roles.

I partially agree with you. I think Star Wars has been most successful, even if it's been slight cameos and acknowledgements (although they have the benefit of simply having to fit things in place and not worry about moving forwards as much - I mean their tie-ins are mostly retroactive if that makes sense). Although I think the CW Arrowverse has done a pretty swell job too.

 

As I was about ready to type down "It is hard for me to imagine they take such a important character from a cartoon" I had to stop because my wish is that he comes from one of the books lol. There is actually a better chance of him coming from a cartoon than from the books, with the thinking that more people watch the show than read the books. While that would be really epic and a great award for the fans that put the time into the show. Ezra has a better shot at being a Starkiller type person than Snoke...for me anyway

Gallius Rax would be my snoke if I had to pick someone. I mean at the age of 12 he knew no one and Palpatine took him in. In my mind Palpatine knew that something was going to have to change. He knew he was loosing Darth Vader. Why wouldn't he put in a fail safe? Whatever Rax found for him on Jakku gave him the knowledge and power to become Snoke.


If I really have to be honest and step back out of my Star Wars fantasy I have to be honest with myself and I think that the creative team at Disney still don't know who he is.

 

"No, there is another..." Referred to Leia" and if Snoke was Ezra it wouldn't make much sense to jump from Rebels to TFA and beyond without giving him his own movie
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