Rey's vision with the lightsaber ?

Perhaps the future? The reason I say this is a memory is because Kylo has his original mask. He may make a replica in time for VIII, but I think he's going to get a new helmet, possibly even more Vader-esque than the original one.

 

Me too! Just tell us already! Ugh!

 

Now I feel that Rey is 60/40 a Skywalker. Just for the fact that Palpatine is in her force vision. Though its the Jedi that stick out in her visions(Yoda/Obi/Luke/Ani) Palpatine's "any Jedi" is a major line for a person to Rey to find out who they are. they are all apart of the skywalker lineage. Anakin and Luke encountered all 3 of them at their point of time. Kylo's lightsaber is a replica of a Jedi/Sith artifact(it was green when Ezra had the cross saber) The 'skywalker' lightsaber is strong within Anakin and Luke and to have Rey grab it from Kylo doesnt make Kylo weak in the force it just proves alil more that the attraction of Rey and the lightsaber makes her story alil more plausable. Not saying she is 100% a skywalker but just the facts from TFA could be apart of it or not. If she is just a new character with no ties to the skywalker line then she one of the future of a force sensative children that Snoke wants on the darkside.

May the force be with you always...

 

They made a big deal about Kylo Ren coming from "The Light" by mentioning it, but leaning darkside. Some part of me thinks that Rey's origins may be the opposite, coming from somewhere dark, but leaning light. With all that ying/yang symbolism and General Leia's ring and all that. I kind of think that somehow the Force ghosts are all ganging up, or just The Force itself, to call Rey (if she is a Skywalker or not) to pull her where they want her with the vision.

 

Here is something I came across. I was watching TCW and saw this episode and immediately thought about this thread. The screenshot with TFA and TCW is VERY MUCH similar. Could it be that Mortis is a planet so ethereal that Anakin is 'The Chosen One' and took hold of Mortis to balance the force? That place did balance the force in TCW. With the daughter dying by the hands of the Son, the darkside took over. The Father was just the ruler of them 2. With the Father making Anakin forget his future then kiling himself with the sword and then Anakin killing The Son with just a lightsaber tells me that the balance of the force was on the darkside and that Anakin had to continue his forsaken future he saw. Maybe Luke and Kylo got caught in Mortis while Luke was seeking balance in the force. I would have to think about it more in depth but from this I think there is a possiblity that Mortis and Rey's vision might have some sort of connection. That Rey's is 'The Chosen One' instead of Anakin cause he didnt fulfill the Fathers/Qui Gon prophecy? and in doing so saw his fate and made forgotten. Dont spoil TCW for me yet if you know more information. Im just going off the last episode I just watch and comparing.

May the force be with you always...

 

What I see from Rey's vision, is past, present and near future of the lightsaber itself. The lightsaber has been present in much of what we see in that vision, from what we know, so I am assuming with those images that we know nothing about, the lighsaber was there. You can do your own research, but if we just take TFA alone and what we saw when the lighsaber was present, like the red rectangle that eventually becomes the sun dying; Finn had the lightsaber. In the snow KR pops out from behind the tree, the lightsaber was there then at the end of the movie. Taking these coincidences and applying it to other aspects of the vision, like Rey being left with Unkar, it's possible that whoever did that had the saber as well. We don't know who found the lightsaber all those years ago and when it was recovered and how or how Maz got it.

 

Look how cute and small Yoda's is lol

 

Kylo's looks like a little kid made it.

 

I'm going to go through each scene and my opinion. I also don't think the lightsaber has really much to do with what Rey actually sees because it's a FORCE vision not a lightsaber vision, so the force is showing her what it wants her to see. Moving along...

CORRIDOR: I think it's just quite obvious it's on Cloud City. In the novel there is a "boy" in the scene and I'm pretty sure it's Luke and not Kylo because there wouldn't be a reason for Kylo to be on Cloud city.

R2D2: I'm sure this is when the Temple was destroyed and right before Luke left to go to Ach-To. Luke's telling R2 intructions, maybe not to activate until someone (he may specifically say Rey) comes back. (also I think it's kinda cute how he touches R2s head like R2 is his little dog telling him he's going away lol)

KOR SCENE: BIG ONE. This is the longest scene we get in the vision (at least it feels that way). There's a lot going on. I do not think that this is when Kylo killed the Jedi and destroyed the temple. I think this is a FUTURE vision since Kylo looks at her and there's no one around. I don't think it's when he destroyed the temple because he already has his uniform and mask, plus his figure is like an adults, and if he turned on Luke when he was a student there, he would've been shorter and have a teenager body (this could totally be wrong but that's just what I believe). And I don't think Rey witnessed this as a child and Kylo took her to Jakku, because in the other scene as Rey as a child, Rey actually sees herself and she's not in the body of her child self so why would that be different if it was this scene? I think this scene will be a scene in episode viii and Rey will actually be there and witness it, possibly Kylo and the KOR attacking the Rebel base or something. It would be cool to see the KOR in the movie doing stuff this time. She was playing her present self in the Starkiller base scene so I think this scene is kind of similar in showing the future. When Kylo killed the one guy, who I believe is a KOR, the guy looked to be trying to kill someone (probably Rey since she's right there), but Kylo didn't want that, so he just took him out. This is where Rey might get captured again, because I don't think she'd be able to take down 6 KOR and Kylo. Or Luke, Finn, and Chewie could come and fend them off and they retreat. I don't really want Rey to get captured though since she's been captured once. Maybe they can caputure Kylo this time. Anyway.

SWEET BABY REY ON JAKKU (get it like the BBQ sauce?): This is pretty obvious. Her family or whoever dropped her off on Jakku and leaves her there with Unkar Plutt.

REY IN THE SNOW: This is pretty obviously Starkiller we get to see later in the movie, which foreshadows what's going to happen, which is why I believe the KOR scene is foreshadowing a future scene.

We all heard Obi-Wan say "these are your first steps" and such, so I think he's trying to reach out to her through the force. When she's fighting Kylo I think she might have been reaching out to Obi-Wan too for guidance.

 

Why would Luke be watching himself battle Vader though? That's the question I ask myself with I wonder if it's Luke.

 

I'm not exactly sure what you mean by Luke watching himself battle Vader?

 

It seems to be the thing going on when she sees the boy. At least to me.

 

of all of them, it's the one that least looks like a sex toy.
yeah, i typed that, but everyone is thinking it.

 

It just says "A boy appeared at the end of the hallway. She started toward him, and the world turned inside out, causing her to trip and fall." It's possible it couldn't be Luke, but it doesn't say he's watching the battle. I don't know how else it could be though.

 

I was just paraphrasing the SNL skit, but you know what? You are not wrong.

 

I really hope the sex toy industry doen't see this post *praying emoji hands*

 

Rey wasn't on Cloud City either.
the speculation is that Rey and Ben have shared this vision and he is the boy.
the description in the novel is really vague.
nevertheless, she hears the battle, and sees the boy as possibly two distinct things.
if the boy and battle were related, she probably ought to have seen Darth Vader as well.

and the guy Kylo Ren kills in the rain is not KOR (i'm pretty sure that's been positively established. can someone plz verify?).

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i know, right? it's probably already too late, but i'm not verifying!

 

Yeah, I keep thinking it must be Ben as well. In the snow scene, he recognizes the lightsaber, like he knows or has seen it before. I went through working it out myself, and once it clicked, I keep thinking that he may have had it before, or at least seen it, and perhaps had his own vision of the Cloud City events.

 

I mean that's totally possible. I read somewhere that they cast a Luke double, possibly for that scene. But really you could be right about the Kylo sharing the vision and him being the one, but I'm not sure why he would be called a "boy" and not a man, unless he saw the vision when he was younger.

And I would like to see the source that the guy Kylo kills isn't a KOR if you ever find it or someone replies, because I also think I saw some KOR art with a guy who was supposed to be the leader or something who has the same helmet. Plus who else would the guy be trying to kill if he isn't a KOR? Because it seems like everyone else is dead who is a "good guy" and he didn't look like he was carrying a lightsaber and the weapon the KOR seem to have are...different.

 

It's described as a "Clan Leader" in the script. Though I have to admit, it looks like a character in those art drawings that leaked of the KOR.

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http://www.imsdb.com/scripts/Star-Wars-The-Force-Awakens.html