Rey's vision with the lightsaber ?

he's described as "Clan Leader" and not a knight, which doesn't immediately exclude him from the KOR, but it's been pointed out that all the other KOR are full masked and he is not.

also, the script describes him as a "warrior" (not a knight) and weirdly describes Kylo Ren "and the six other Knight of Ren" as if it's a known quantity that there are seven of them.



so, perhaps not confirmation, but it feels like there's a strong chance the dude is not KOR?

 

It actually says "warrior" as it also did in the book

"We PUSH IN ON REY as RAIN BEGINS -- and DAY TURNS TO NIGHT --
and she LOOKS UP -- we TILT UP --
To see we're LOOKING UP AT A WARRIOR as he is STABBED BY A
FIERY LIGHTSABER! He screams and falls to the ground"

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But the question now is...who is he? And who's he trying to kill?

 

It could still be a kor. I am sure it's a future scene and the clan leader or warrior ( I got that from memory) is just a description that could mean anything. It's one of the biggest things I personally want answered. I want to know too if Rey is truly there because it seems she is as Ren seems to look at her.

 

sorry if that was unclear ~ he was "Clan Leader" originally (according to Hidalgo). and then "warrior" in the script (as i posted the snippet you just quoted).
and i just checked the credits and it appears he's perhaps listed as "Knight of Ren"? so that's interesting.


if it's a flash forward, maybe he's trying to kill Rey. if it's a flashback it's been suggested he's killing Rey's family.

i still think Ren is defending someone important in the scene, but i don't have any strong sense of when this is taking place, time-wise.
he does look too old to be rescuing "young Rey", but he's also in a mask and whatnot, so it's possible he was just a very tall teenager.

i think this might be the Maz Kanata steals the saber scene.
or else it's a flash forward and he's defending Rey.

 

I just looked at the IMDB page (since I don't have the movie on me) and it's odd he's the only Knight of Ren in the credits. That's a good theory, a flashback of him killing Rey's family, but why would Kylo kill the guy? I still think it's the future of him defending Rey.

 

Guy in the middle?

 

Yasssss. And there's 8 of them in there, and there was 7 surrounding Kylo in the vision.

 

Exactly, he wouldn't be. From my point of view, the vision has just as much to do with Rey (maaaybe) as it does the lightsaber, especially since we clearly see past events where the weapon is present, among events that we know nothing about. There are other cues that make me believe that the vision has as much to do with the saber itself as Rey, if not more. The vision shows images related to the lightsaber's past life (which we can obviously see and hear), so we can assume that we also see some of its future, since we saw similar events unfold that we saw in the vision: the snowy scene where Kylo comes out from behind a tree is kinda like "a clue" since the lightsaber is there later in the movie in the snow and trees where Finn and Rey fought Ren; in Rey's vision we see the spaceship flying off, as it disappears, a small bright rectangle is left on the screen; when the sun dies later in the movie on Starkiller base, the last patch of dying light we see on screen has the nearly exact same size and shape (if not exact) as that little rectangle we see when the ship flies off, Finn has the lighsaber on him at that moment. Does that mean whoever dropped Rey off with Unkar might have had the lighsaber? Maybe. We saw and heard other past events where the saber was clearly present; I'm pretty sure I hear Luke saying,"Noooo.." He obviously just dropped the lightsaber when he uttered his famous response to his dysfunctional father, but, hey, lightsabers have good hearing. I swear I hear "Anakin" being said by Obi Wan, could be wrong. Also, there are many that think Kylo is holding another lightsaber in the vision; it appears to possibly be one to me as well, could be Anakin's. It could also be a thermos. With some hot soup to keep Kylo warm on that rainy night.

Of course, there are ways to dispute the theory, like: we saw Luke reaching out and touching R2. That would mean Luke had reacquired the weapon at some point. Impossible? No. Unlikely? Yes. Or maybe its pure psychometry, we see the missing hand that had held the saber at one point... For me, personally, at this time I just do not see Rey having been present for most of these events that we know nothing about. If she is, why do we only see her in that one instance when she's being left on Jakku? Why not show her in the other events from the vision? Also, Kylo tells Finn that the blue lightsaber he's holding "belongs to me". If he's never seen the lightsaber, how does he know its his? The Force? Doubtful. It appears as if he recognizes it, the only way that's possible is if he had held it; I highly doubt there is a Skywalker family photo album laying around the old Solo estate with pictures of grampa waving the saber around. Anyways, this is my take on the vision, could be wrong, could be right, either way I'm okay with.

 

Could it be that Rey's parents where forced to let go Rey by the FO as a punishment and a FO transporter brought Rey to Jakku because the FO had no further use for her?

The force calls her because she is capable of saving the Skywalkers (first Luke, then Ben and perhaps at the end Leia too)..
and
the force tells her a short version (vision) of the miseries of the Skywalkers and gives her the chance to get a first glimpse of her own force abilities.

 

Anything is possible. I think Rey needs to go back to Jakku, have a little "chat" with Unkar and find out who dropped her off with him.

 

Are you guys going to be upset if (when) that whole vision ends up just being a bunch of stuff JJ Plothole thought would be cool to show??

 

The really bonkers thing to me about that scene (Ren killing the Clan Leader / KOR), is that immediately afterwards, he appears to look up at Rey and even step toward her. Which, to me, means that one of two things is happening: either she is physically there when that event occurs, or Ren is seeing a vision of her there.

???!?!!??!

[EDIT: Going back thru this thread again, I see @Obi-Wan Solo and @Anberlin357 both touched on this. Good catch! It took me a number of viewings to really pick up on it.]

 

He'd never do that to us! Never. Never, ever. No way.

 

The vision initially was much more detailed then what we saw. In the info MSW and others had the vision seemed to be focused on the significance of the lightsaber and the path it took to Maz. This changed and the vision was edited down. The path of the lightsaber was then pushed aside to "a story for another time." The question iswhy the change? It could be because JJ decided not to go that route. We know some stuff was changed at the request of Rian. Could the vision be part of it? Possibly. I'm hoping we get a little more clarity about it as the ST moves forward

 

I think you could be right here, and it would be bloody good if this was what was happening!

 

On a completely different note ... I can't un-see the figure of a hand waving person in R2's leg!

 

You've "ruined" the scene for me now, I can't take it seriously . This will now go alongside Ian McDiarmid waving his stick around like a silly old man .

 

I think its interesting that everything in the scene was something she either experienced first hand, or saw as foresight that later came true? I guess that means she may have actually been there at the temple?

 

The very first scene of the flashback was the corridor of Cloud City and the duel between Luke and Vader. She did not experience that.

 

Yeh, it shows the corridor, though it doesn't show Luke and Vader fighting does it?
Thats another interesting thing about it, has she been there, is she going, does it have any relevance at all?

To me it was the place Luke found out Vader was his father, what I found interesting was the next person the camera pans to after the corridor is Luke?

It might be nothing, but the vision certainly has some significance to Rey, it was essentially her awakening, might be a missed pointer to her real parents

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I know that George has said the chosen one began and ended with Anakin, and was completed by killing the Sith.
I personally hope now he is not connected with the movies they disregard that idea and incorporate some of the chosen one legacy in to the Skywalker family.
From Anakin to Luke down to Rey or possibly Kylo-Ren